GLEP 54: _live or _scm?

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GLEP 54: _live or _scm?

Piotr Jaroszyński
Hello,

on/after the last council meeting the biggest problem with g54 seemed
to be whether to use scm or live suffix. I would like to do a small
poll here among council members so that I can edit the glep
accordingly. So, could you please state whether you prefer scm or
live?

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Best Regards,
Piotr Jaroszyński

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Re: GLEP 54: _live or _scm?

Ulrich Mueller-2
>>>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Piotr Jaroszynski wrote:

> on/after the last council meeting the biggest problem with g54
> seemed to be whether to use scm or live suffix. I would like to do a
> small poll here among council members so that I can edit the glep
> accordingly. So, could you please state whether you prefer scm or
> live?

I prefer "_live" for various reasons:

- Almost everybody calls them "live ebuilds" not "scm ebuilds"
- There may be live ebuilds not related to source code management
  (app-portage/eclass-manpages might be an example), and ebuilds
  fetching their sources from a fixed tag in an SCM system, therefore
  not being live.
- No confusion with the Scheme language.

Ulrich

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Re: GLEP 54: _live or _scm?

Mart Raudsepp-2
On K, 2009-06-03 at 23:11 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote:

> >>>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Piotr Jaroszynski wrote:
>
> > on/after the last council meeting the biggest problem with g54
> > seemed to be whether to use scm or live suffix. I would like to do a
> > small poll here among council members so that I can edit the glep
> > accordingly. So, could you please state whether you prefer scm or
> > live?
>
> I prefer "_live" for various reasons:
>
> - Almost everybody calls them "live ebuilds" not "scm ebuilds"
> - There may be live ebuilds not related to source code management
>   (app-portage/eclass-manpages might be an example), and ebuilds
>   fetching their sources from a fixed tag in an SCM system, therefore
>   not being live.
> - No confusion with the Scheme language.
>
> Ulrich
I prefer "live" for the same reasons above "scm" in any contexts
relating to ebuilds.
This vote (of mine) is not to be taken as an endorsement of g54 of
course, as I take it as a terminology preference question.

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Mart Raudsepp
Gentoo Developer
Mail: [hidden email]
Weblog: http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/leio

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Re: GLEP 54: _live or _scm?

Piotr Jaroszyński
> This vote (of mine) is not to be taken as an endorsement of g54 of
> course, as I take it as a terminology preference question.

Yes, that's what the poll is all about.

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Piotr Jaroszyński

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Re: GLEP 54: _live or _scm?

Mike Frysinger
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On Wednesday 03 June 2009 16:02:10 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
> on/after the last council meeting the biggest problem with g54 seemed
> to be whether to use scm or live suffix. I would like to do a small
> poll here among council members so that I can edit the glep
> accordingly. So, could you please state whether you prefer scm or
> live?

i prefer "scm", but "live" does make more sense like Ulrich points out
-mike

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Re: GLEP 54: _live or _scm?

Nirbheek Chauhan-2
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2009/6/4 Piotr Jaroszyński <[hidden email]>:
> accordingly. So, could you please state whether you prefer scm or
> live?
>

Some more bikeshedding:

Such ebuilds won't necessarily fetch from source code repositories,
some ebuilds[1], fetch the latest snapshot instead, essentially
"live".


1. www-client/chromium-bin-9999 -- fetches the latest developer snapshot build

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Re: GLEP 54: _live or _scm?

Doug Goldstein
In reply to this post by Mike Frysinger
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Mike Frysinger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 16:02:10 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
>> on/after the last council meeting the biggest problem with g54 seemed
>> to be whether to use scm or live suffix. I would like to do a small
>> poll here among council members so that I can edit the glep
>> accordingly. So, could you please state whether you prefer scm or
>> live?
>
> i prefer "scm", but "live" does make more sense like Ulrich points out
> -mike
>

I agree with Mike here. I personally like "scm" better but Ulrich does
bring good points why "live" would be better.

But honestly folks, this isn't a technical item. It's a frivolous
pretty item. If this is really the cause for some people's objections,
then you really do not belong on the council because you're not
dealing with TECHNICAL issues.

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Doug Goldstein

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Re: GLEP 54: _live or _scm?

Piotr Jaroszyński
2009/6/4 Doug Goldstein <[hidden email]>:

> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Mike Frysinger <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 16:02:10 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
>>> on/after the last council meeting the biggest problem with g54 seemed
>>> to be whether to use scm or live suffix. I would like to do a small
>>> poll here among council members so that I can edit the glep
>>> accordingly. So, could you please state whether you prefer scm or
>>> live?
>>
>> i prefer "scm", but "live" does make more sense like Ulrich points out
>> -mike
>>
>
> I agree with Mike here. I personally like "scm" better but Ulrich does
> bring good points why "live" would be better.

Are you voting for live then?

> But honestly folks, this isn't a technical item. It's a frivolous
> pretty item. If this is really the cause for some people's objections,
> then you really do not belong on the council because you're not
> dealing with TECHNICAL issues.

I decided to ask the council because I can easily count votes here and
assume it's a more-or-less accurate representation of the community
and choose the more popular option. All this started with some devs
asking me why scm was chosen instead of live and me wanting to avoid
this GLEP being rejected/hated for such a trivial matter.

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Best Regards,
Piotr Jaroszyński

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Re: GLEP 54: _live or _scm?

Tobias Scherbaum
In reply to this post by Ulrich Mueller-2
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> I prefer "_live" for various reasons:
>
> - Almost everybody calls them "live ebuilds" not "scm ebuilds"
> - There may be live ebuilds not related to source code management
>   (app-portage/eclass-manpages might be an example), and ebuilds
>   fetching their sources from a fixed tag in an SCM system, therefore
>   not being live.
> - No confusion with the Scheme language.

+1 on that. live ist the more obvious solution.

  Tobias


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Re: GLEP 54: _live or _scm?

Petteri Räty-2
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Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:

> Hello,
>
> on/after the last council meeting the biggest problem with g54 seemed
> to be whether to use scm or live suffix. I would like to do a small
> poll here among council members so that I can edit the glep
> accordingly. So, could you please state whether you prefer scm or
> live?
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Piotr Jaroszyński
>
I don't have a strong preference either way. Live seems logical as that
is what we have been calling them.

Regards,
Petteri


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