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Luca Barbato
Here is a list of interesting questions: "Are we fine?" "What are we
going to do?"

Please project leaders try to reply in short.

About the stuff I'm involved:

Are we fine?

media
 - gfx  : nothing much under the sun, bumping stuff here and there.
 - video: getting ready for the new ffmpeg and the applications we'll
have to patch.

What are we going to do:

media
 - gfx  : probably checking that stuff is getting up to date more often.
 - video: Hopefully nothing much beside trying to give the best and
freshest snapshots from the repository you started to know (mplayer,
ffmpeg, xine, vlc...Hi Diego =)) and probably we'll have to handle some
pretty new stuff related to heterogeneous cores (CELL, CUDA) if what is
brewing right now gets more stable. We'll probably need more help from
the toolchain people to get some stuff building sanely.

lu

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Re: Projects and subproject status

Markus Ullmann-2
Luca Barbato schrieb:
> Are we fine?
>

lcd     : G15 in good shape, no major issues anywhere
ldap    : openldap works good, nss_ldap has some issues here and there
net-irc : some minor issues with dead-upstream apps or apps breaking
           their own configs but nothing too serious
net-mon : behind on some packages due to only 3 people taking care,
           could use more hands to help maintaining

> What are we going to do:

lcd     : nothing major atm
ldap    : openldap 2.4 in the queue, yet needs more work to be safe
net-irc : nothing big, just some minor bumps here and there
net-mon : just working through bugs, some are hard to reproduce
           so may take a bit to be resolved finally

Greetz
-Jokey


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Diego Elio Pettenò
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Luca Barbato <[hidden email]> writes:

>  - video: Hopefully nothing much beside trying to give the best and
> freshest snapshots from the repository you started to know (mplayer,
> ffmpeg, xine, vlc...Hi Diego =))
I'm involved just in one and a half of those ;)

As for me, I mostly handle PAM (solo as usual).

Current status: PAM 0.99 is stable on all architectures beside one,
which means that PAM maintenance should be quite easier. It has been a
few months till last release so the water is also quite calm. The
upgrade was smooth for most people up to now, hopefully the
documentation on that will suffice.

Future plans: I hope to be able to complete the developers'
documentation, it's mostly a matter of finding time to work on it again,
probably I won't be able to make it before February, but I count on
writing something starting mid-february.

And for what concerns PulseAudio:

Current status: 0.9.8 is in tree for a while but contains a few new
features that should be tested well before marking it stable, so 0.9.7
is the current candidate. The new init script using Baselayout 2/OpenRC
functionalities is well tested at this point and mostly waiting for
OpenRC to enter ~arch.
Future plans: again not before mid-february I'll see to write some user
documentation about PulseAudio, like a Gentoo-specific Perfect Setup, to
integrate the generic documentation available on PulseAudio's wiki.

As for other misc stuff I maintain, I don't know exactly what's left,
but you can easily see what I'm doing on the blog :P

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Re: Projects and subproject status

Fabian Groffen-2
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On 07-01-2008 22:31:54 +0100, Luca Barbato wrote:
> Here is a list of interesting questions: "Are we fine?" "What are we
> going to do?"
>
> Please project leaders try to reply in short.

Gentoo/Alt:Prefix

> Are we fine?

Sure.
- reached >10% coverage/replication of the gentoo-x86 tree
- convinced two contributors to become Gentoo ppl
- attracted more "big players"
- extended our arch.list
- brought Portage Prefix branch fully in sync with trunk
- rough Prefix binpkg support (chpathtool, via tinderbox.dev.g.o)
- enabled Java (Sun, Diablo, (Apple/Soylatte)), Haskell (GHC) in Prefix
- mostly automated tree syncing, to easily stay up-to-date

> What are we going to do:

Just continue.
- try to make cross-compiling/building with target prefix fully working
- sort out the 64-bits targets with their multilib-hell forced upon us
- add more arches, {net,open}bsd ones being worked on
- work out support for bootstrapping from a binhost
- hope we can get an rsync tree with metadata generated (get faster!)
- try to eliminate python as it usually doesn't compile (will fail)
- try to convince more people (you know who you are)
- finish writing of the stupid glep
- add more packages/try to close all package request bugs
- think about privileged installs
- get baselayout fully ported (support for runscripts)
- (maybe) think about multi-prefix (could solve the FreeBSD GNU conflict)
- try not to kill overlays.g.o
- seek cooperation with "Gentoo upstreams" where appropriate (part of
  the slight maturing phase)
- try to get all the other companies we know they use us, to post
  some testimony like
  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.alt/3308 :) (wishful
  thinking)
- maybe invest some time to get repoman's SVN support patch acceptable
  for the trunk (not much benefit for us at the moment, though)
- (most probably) go crazy


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Re: Projects and subproject status

Fabian Groffen-2
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On 07-01-2008 22:31:54 +0100, Luca Barbato wrote:
> Here is a list of interesting questions: "Are we fine?" "What are we
> going to do?"

GNUstep

> Are we fine?

I'd say thanks to voyageur (much kudos to the guy) GNUstep is back where
it should be within Gentoo and up-to-date.  Eclass changes, package
changes, all just got better.

> What are we going to do:

Probably trying to keep it up-to-date like it is right now, and try to
be the best distro for GNUstep users.  Of course we'll hope that Etoile
becomes less buggy and more usable.


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Re: Projects and subproject status

David Shakaryan-2
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Luca Barbato wrote:
> Please project leaders try to reply in short.
The following is for the Gentoo WM project.

> Are we fine?
We should be. The next answer should indicate where we can use some
improvement. As for the GNUstep packages, I'm not too sure what the
status is, but bugzilla doesn't reveal anything major.

> What are we going to do:
- Update FVWM and fix the ~5 bugs related to it.
- Fix a few miscellaneous fluxbox apps.
- Punt a couple of old, broken packages.
- Continue keeping things up to date.

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Re: Projects and subproject status

Petteri Räty-2
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Luca Barbato kirjoitti:
> Here is a list of interesting questions: "Are we fine?" "What are we
> going to do?"

Java

>
> Please project leaders try to reply in short.
>
> Are we fine?

Quite okay. Slowly recruiting new people and doing the usual
maintenance. Could always use more active people of course.

>
> What are we going to do:
>

- Get the remaining Generation 1 stuff out of the tree (not much left)
- Start using virtuals more
- Eclass cleanup and new make our setup even more automatic

Regards,
Petteri


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Petteri Räty-2
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Luca Barbato kirjoitti:
>
> Please project leaders try to reply in short.

Recruiters

>
> About the stuff I'm involved:
>
> Are we fine?

If Calchan agrees, we are fine.

> What are we going to do:
>

Keep going as usual.

Regards,
Petteri


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Re: Projects and subproject status

Denis Dupeyron
On Jan 9, 2008 1:12 PM, Petteri Räty <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Recruiters
>
> >
> > About the stuff I'm involved:
> >
> > Are we fine?
>
> If Calchan agrees, we are fine.

I'm taking care of recruits as fast as I can. I figure any time I
spend for the recruiters project is worth a lot more than the same
time spent on fixing dev-embedded, sci-electronics or other exotic
ebuilds I usually maintain. The good news is I'm close to being able
to keep up, i.e. there is very little backlog if any. The bad news is
that we'd need to recruit more, and if an additional flow of recruits
were to arrive (and that would be welcome) a backlog would certainly
start to build up. Also I'm traveling more than I used to (and would
like) nowadays, and I'm going to move to the US this summer. So you
should expect some offlineness from my part for a few months while I
swim across the pond.

> > What are we going to do:
> >
>
> Keep going as usual.

All in all, we'd need an additional recruiter. Candidates are welcome,
but you should know that although it is a very gratifying job, it
takes a lot of time and dedication if you want to do it properly. Each
recruit takes me anywhere between 6 and 12 hours depending on how many
gaps I have to fill. We need as many recruits as possible, but need to
have them of sufficient quality. One way to go is to reject those that
aren't good enough, and another is to bring as many as you can to a
level where they can be useful. I much prefer the latter because I
don't think we can afford the former.

We would also need to attract more recruits. I'm doing my best to
relay queries from potential recruits to various teams and projects,
but I'm afraid to say it's seldom that these are answered. So please,
whoever you are and even if you're not a project/team leader, next
time you're forwarded such mail by me please reply to the user's
queries. At the very least you should politely decline the offer. And
mentoring will take you some time, but it's time well invested for the
future of your project.

Finally, if you're a mentor, or are considering mentoring somebody, do
not hesitate to contact us in case you have any questions. I have
tried to update our documentation recently, so you'll find valuable
practical information in there although more could be needed
(suggestions welcome). And do not hesitate to go hunting for recruits
instead of complaining you don't have enough time managing your Gentoo
stuff. For that too we'll be happy to advise.

Happy new year to each one of you.
Denis.
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Re: Projects and subproject status

Samuli Suominen-3
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On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:31:54 +0100
Luca Barbato <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Here is a list of interesting questions: "Are we fine?" "What are we
> going to do?"
>
> Please project leaders try to reply in short.

xfce (has no lead, it's angelos, welp or me) - we are good, few ~minor
bugs, everything up to date

treecleaners - needs more developers (please) to review & save the stuff
that is getting removed so it doesn't end up as a tool that few devs
can use to punt stuff they want, but others use(!)

>  - gfx  : nothing much under the sun, bumping stuff here and there.

I just joined gfx, will try to contribute some more.


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Christian Faulhammer-4
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Hi,

CCing gentoo-lisp mailing list.

Luca Barbato <[hidden email]>:
> Please project leaders try to reply in short.

 Though Emacs project (subproject of Lisp) has no official leader, I
speak up as senior dev. :)
 
> Are we fine?

XEmacs:
I cannot tell much, but graaff seems to have closed most of the severe
bugs and worked on having more/bette eclasses for the app-xemacs
category.

GNU Emacs:
 * We took care of nearly all incoming bugs and punched ones
still sitting around
 * Started keywording all packages with stable x86 and amd64 (majority
is done)
 * Split up of eselect-ctags and eselect-emacs so them Vim wheenies
stop crying (just after Portage was able to handle needed upgrade path
correctly)
 * Files which enable additional packages from app-emacs category in
Emacs are now stored in /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-gentoo.d/, with
full backwards compatability (fully transparent for non-aware users).
emacs-updater from eselec-emacs package can check if you still have
site files in the old location.
 * Support for echangelog (by C-c C-a) in app-emacs/gentoo-syntax
 * Man, we got so many test plans for our packages that arch teams
should be able to stabilise our packages in the blink of an eye.
 * Fixed some more packages that were working but not in a good shape
regarding coding practice (Emacs and Ebuild)

> What are we going to do:

 * Improve the tree further, though we are nearly done
 * Bring some really handy packages into the tree from our overlay
 * Improve gentoo-syntax to use the whole Gentoo toolchain for Ebuild
developers

 V-Li

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baude
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For the ppc64 project

> Are we fine?
>  
- The induction of the PS3 has helped us a lot.  We have more users than
before.  Great variance skill-wise amongst those users but interest
level is high.  We need more folks on the dev team but otherwise we're
as healthy as we've ever been.
- Just put a ps3 dev profile into portage to begin moving towards our
longer term goals
- Lu_zero and I have added a couple of ps3 specific ebuilds into the
tree; previously were in the cell overlay

> What are we going to do:
>  
- Anticipating gcc-4.3 and the love it is supposed to bring,
specifically cell optimizations.
- BAU


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Re: Projects and subproject status: KDE

Bugzilla from philantrop@gentoo.org
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- KDE 3 & KDE 4
- KDE-related stuff

> Are we fine?

All in all, we're doing acceptably well, I'd say. In some areas, we're  
doing really well.

I've recently mentored two new recruits, namely Ingmar "Ingmar"  
Vanhassel and Bo "zlin" Andresen who will hopefully soon become new  
members of the KDE herd. These new slav^H^H^H^Hhelpers ;) are both  
great additions to the herd and will allow us to become more efficient  
in the near future.


KDE 3: We're still fixing bugs but should soon be able to finally  
stabilise 3.5.8. This took us much longer than I wanted it to but I'm  
under heavy workload in real life and had to take some time off from  
Gentoo.

We still have 3.5.5 in the tree but that's going to change once either  
Carlo or myself will make ourselves remove those ebuilds. If we remove  
them, this can lead to some breakage for a certain arch but they've  
known for long enough now: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188857

KDE 3 is pretty solid now apart from some bugs we're tackling along the way.


KDE 4: A core team consisting of volunteers from the KDE herd and  
interested users (that's how tgurr, Ingmar and zlin got on board or  
are going to get on board as devs. :-) ) as well as some help from  
interested fellow devs is working on a new set of eclasses (going to  
be submitted here very soon) and ebuilds (both monolithic and split  
ebuilds; splits being the new default) for KDE 4.

KDE 4.0.0 will be released on January, 11th 2008, and if things keep  
going like they do now we might be able to put all the stuff into  
~arch on the release day.
I'm going to mail about this again in -core soon.

The excellent cooperation among the core team members and all others  
involved in KDE4 in Gentoo is truly amazing and makes me really proud  
to be a part of this effort. I'm happy and optimistic about things to  
come if we manage to keep some of the drive we currently have.

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Luca Barbato
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Petteri Räty wrote:
>
> - Get the remaining Generation 1 stuff out of the tree (not much left)
> - Start using virtuals more
> - Eclass cleanup and new make our setup even more automatic

any plan/idea about icedtea? as a ppc user I'd love too see it in
portage ^^;

lu

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Carsten Lohrke-2
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> KDE 4.0.0 will be released on January, 11th 2008, and if things keep
> going like they do now we might be able to put all the stuff into
> ~arch on the release day.
> I'm going to mail about this again in -core soon.

Unless you mean hard masked, I do object. The code base has too many issues
and is incomplete compared to KDE 3.5, so it's not ready to push it to the
regular ~arch user, yet.


Carsten

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Chris Gianelloni
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On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 22:31 +0100, Luca Barbato wrote:
> Here is a list of interesting questions: "Are we fine?" "What are we
> going to do?"
>
> Please project leaders try to reply in short.
>
> About the stuff I'm involved:
>
> Are we fine?

GWN: The GWN is currently in a permanent state of hiatus.  I have no
intentions on spending another minute working on the GWN.  While many,
many improvements have been made in the processes for getting the
automated data, getting articles has been pulling teeth, at best.  This
was taking me upwards of 12 hours a week, which was impacting the time I
had available to work on things like releases and my day job.  As such,
the GWN is abandoned and will likely stay that way until someone steps
up and decides they're ready and willing to give up their lives to work
on this publication.  Yes, I think switching to a monthly newsletter
would *help* the problem, but it still won't resolve it.  The GWN needs
articles more than anything, and few people are submitting anything.

Release Engineering: We dropped the 2007.1 release due to many issues
which I won't go into here, since it really isn't appropriate at this
time.  As such, we're deciding on what our plan is for 2008 and beyond.
We are working on finalizing the latest versions of genkernel/catalyst.

PR: Well, I'm not the lead here, but since the lead is AWOL, I guess
that I can give my input.  This project is essentially dead.  There are
a couple people who occasionally respond to user queries to the alias,
but otherwise, nothing is going on here.  Nobody is really active.  I
sent in some news about 2007.1 a few weeks back and nobody's posted
anything or even responded.  I'd say the project is dead if we can't
even get out pertinent information like the cancellation of a release to
our users.

Trustees: Well, the Foundation no longer exists, legally, so it's pretty
obvious that things are not "fine" here.

> What are we going to do:

GWN: no clue, looks like nothing

RelEng: work on catalyst/genkernel, no further plans

PR: no clue, looks like nothing

Trustees: I retired as a Trustee since there's not much point without a
Foundation to run, leaving us with one (or possibly two) trustees.

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Petteri Räty-2
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Luca Barbato kirjoitti:

> Petteri Räty wrote:
>> - Get the remaining Generation 1 stuff out of the tree (not much left)
>> - Start using virtuals more
>> - Eclass cleanup and new make our setup even more automatic
>
> any plan/idea about icedtea? as a ppc user I'd love too see it in
> portage ^^;
>
> lu
>
Well having it open source doesn't mean automatically ppc support but
there are people working on it.

Regards,
Petteri


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Luca Barbato
Petteri Räty wrote:
> Well having it open source doesn't mean automatically ppc support but
> there are people working on it.

I'm quite aware about it I followed the improvement on this side since a
while even if I hadn't the time to try myself building it on ppc yet.

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Luca Barbato
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:

>> What are we going to do:
>
> GWN: no clue, looks like nothing

Well I hope there is somebody willing to at least try to get a minimal
gwn as new year kickoff out even just by summarizing this thread ^^;

> RelEng: work on catalyst/genkernel, no further plans

I'm looking forward to see the improved tools and hopefully get the in
system deps fixed as vapier just suggested/pointed.

> PR: no clue, looks like nothing

Maybe would be good check who is alive.

> Trustees: I retired as a Trustee since there's not much point without a
> Foundation to run, leaving us with one (or possibly two) trustees.

I guess this part requires discussion elsewhere since there isn't much
technical.

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Pierre-Yves Rofes-5
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Luca Barbato a écrit :
> Here is a list of interesting questions: "Are we fine?" "What are we
> going to do?"
>
> Please project leaders try to reply in short.
>

Ok, technically I'm not security lead, but since I and rbu almost
completely handled the security team since 2 months, I think I can at
least give my opinions on what's going on.

> About the stuff I'm involved:
>
> Are we fine?

security:
Well, with an average of ~ 1 GLSA/day for November and December, things
are going a little bit better than some months ago. We still have too
many open bugs (~115),but we tend to be a little more reactive since we
now actively monitor the vendor-security mailing list plus the freshly
attributed CVE ids, so we're able to file bugs and get them corrected
before they go public. This also means arches security liaisons should
be prepared to get called more often from now on.

>
> What are we going to do:
>

Personally, I'd like that we become more regular for the GLSA releases,
instead of doing nothing for days then rushing to send 10 GLSAs in 2 days.
I'd also like to take care of the really old bugs, say, opened for at
least 6 months (~25 at the moment).
Don't know if we'll manage to do it, but at least we'll try.


This was a (very) short reply, sec team members are of course
welcome to complete.

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